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05 July 2008 @ 01:16 am
cropping guide  
Okay, I think it's about time I did something like this. I'm not sure if I'm any good at explaining my thought process, but it's worth a shot.

Your base image is the most significant step to your icon, it's what you are building on (thus the term base). What do you look for in a base? Good image quality, interesting subject, possibly nice colors to work with...and CREATIVE CROPPING.

Cropping makes the icon.

It's as simple as that. Even if you have great coloring, beautiful textures, and the perfect text, it all means nothing if your base is cropped poorly.

So how do you crop creatively? How do you crop at all for that matter? Well, that's a hard thing to explain. Every image is different, so you have to adjust to what works for each individual picture. When cropping, you have to look at all four lines of the 100x100 square. Is the nose too close? Is the hairline disappearing? Where are the hands? The legs? The feet? Who/what is in the background? Is the neck too long or too short? There's so many things to consider! It's all about experimentation. I usually try out several different cropping ideas on one image before I pick the best one. All you can really do is know the guidelines and take it from there.


GUIDELINES: (I'll be using SCC for examples, simply because it's a set I'm currently working on, haha).

1. Do not center your image. It's boring, leaves little room for creative text placement, and it's not aesthetically pleasing. Always try to put it off center. Sometimes the best focal points are found in the way the subject works with the negative space (background).  
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bad1.png picture by karanna256 bad4.png picture by karanna256 bad5.png picture by karanna256 >> good1.png picture by karanna256 good3.png picture by karanna256 good4.png picture by karanna256 

**** Some people disagree about centering. They think it's awesome like whoa! *eyeroll* The thing is that most of what they have in mind when they think "centering" is not centering. For example, they would think this base of Ryan Phillippe is centered. It's not. It's close, but no cigar. Ryan is slightly elevated in this base, see how his hairline is cut off a bit at the top? Also, because you have a great deal of the background visible in the base, it makes it more interesting. Even if you did this with pure negative space, it would still be fine, or dare I say it, good! If you have negative space and a small focal point, almost centering is completely acceptable! ****SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF POST FOR MORE ON THIS****
118.png image by karanna250

This is what centering looks like and the "good" examples are other ways you can use the image.
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rpbad1.png picture by karanna250 rpbad2.png image by karanna250 rpbad3.png picture by karanna250    >>    rpgood1.png picture by karanna250 rpgood2.png picture by karanna250   
 


2. Do not cut your subjects off at the neck/chin. They look headless and awkward. Try raising the image, it's nice to show a little neck.
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3. Don't be afraid to take away half of your subject, but do it carefully so that a viewer may still be able to tell who/what it is. Don't just leave a little hair and skin, so no one knows what the hell your icon is of. It still needs a focus, such as the mouth or the eyes. Pay attention to facial alignment. Don't cut away half of the nose. It's all or nothing. 
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4. Watch the hairline. If you cut them off at the top of their head, they look scalped or bald. Either show the top of the head with hair or raise it to just above the eyebrow line (it gives it focus). Just a few nudges up/down will take care of the problem!
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bad9.png picture by karanna256 >> 148.png image by karanna256 
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*****There is also an added difficulty when the subject has his/her head tilted. The hairline issue becomes more pronounced; see how the forehead looks unusually long and floats off the page? Like a funhouse mirror! You have also cut off his neck, making him look stumpy and awkward. A little more maneuvering with this type of image is neccessary until you find the best position.
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bad23.png image by karanna256 >> 303.png image by karanna256 good9.png image by karanna256

5. Be aware of the other subjects/objects in the picture. You can choose to use them or not, but just be aware of their presence because it does affect the icon. (The "bad" examples below says that you were unaware of the person in the back because you carelessly cut them off.)
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bad.png image by karanna256 >> 220.png image by karanna256 (using background) bad21.png picture by karanna256 (not using background)
bad22.png image by karanna256 >> 225.png image by karanna256 (using background) 227.png image by karanna256 (not using background)


6. Have a purpose for your base. Make it mean something, elicit an emotion, have it say something even without text. Don't just slap any old picture on there.


That's pretty much all I can think of for now. I hope it's somewhat helpful. If anyone has any suggestions, perhaps something I missed, please let me know! I might add to this later if I can remember anything more. I make mistakes with cropping just like everyone else (if not more). No one is perfect. It's just about experimentation and utilizing the 100x100 space as best you can. If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them to the best of my knowledge!


Here are some more SCC bases that use the guidelines effectively: 
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bad12.png picture by karanna256 >> 28.png picture by karanna256
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bad24.png image by karanna256 >> 454.png image by karanna256
bad2-2.png image by karanna256 >> 9.png image by karanna256
bad25.png image by karanna256 >> 477.png image by karanna256
bad20.png picture by karanna256 >> 170.png picture by karanna256
bad1-1.png image by karanna256 bad2-1.png image by karanna256 >> good1-1.png image by karanna256
bad15.png picture by karanna256 bad16.png picture by karanna256 >> 46.png picture by karanna256
bad17.png picture by karanna256 bad18.png picture by karanna256 >> 87.png image by karanna256



**There is a great dispute about what people consider "centering". Here are some more examples of bases that I do not consider "centered". The subject is not placed smack dab in the middle of the 100x100 canvas, and there is often empty space around them. These are some interesting ways to crop your icons!

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foldedmemos[info]foldedmemos on July 5th, 2008 08:55 am (UTC)
this was really useful!
thank you so much for doing this!
only human.: nodame → pouts.[info]drunk_ed on July 5th, 2008 09:40 am (UTC)
thank you for this! adding to memories.
[info]therunawaystraw on July 5th, 2008 12:18 pm (UTC)
Yay thanks :)
You're too hard to get over... </3[info]kaylii_xo on July 5th, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
I've been looking for something like this! Thank you!
Kate[info]navi_glow on July 5th, 2008 01:55 pm (UTC)
thanks for this, good tips
twoeyesonesoul: Raise the Roof[info]twoeyesonesoul on July 5th, 2008 02:22 pm (UTC)
really useful. thank you very much for this. =D
bojojoti[info]bojojoti on July 5th, 2008 06:35 pm (UTC)
I really appreciated this. Will there be future tips?
karanna1: hp // harmony[info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 05:00 am (UTC)
I've added to this a little, but what do you mean by future tips? In cropping?
(no subject) - (Anonymous) on July 6th, 2008 05:15 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 06:58 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]bojojoti on July 6th, 2008 06:58 am (UTC)
vera em: dh4[info]atlantisgrrrl on July 5th, 2008 06:47 pm (UTC)
Cropping can be so much fun, when everything suddenly kind of falls into place and looks awesome :) I thoroughly agree with the nose-comment and with the rule to not just put everything front and center, that's boring! The hairline one was new to me, but sounds absolutely reasonable. I also find, when a subject tilts his or her head one way, the crop that leaves the head leaning in looks bad (like the forehead is too big, or even like there's no neck at all) and the one that has the head leaning out and is cut off at the nose looks good - to me anyhow :) Actually like in that icon *points at her icon*

I find that the best crop also hugely depends on whether or not there will be text and which I want to draw the immediate attention. I'm very much still learning that (or any of this, really).

Also there are a couple of your 'bad' examples that I find quite intriguing, like the one a the rest stop(?) where the guy is placed along one of the axes from the golden ratio partition, isn't he *squints*? Though the pic seems much less crowded in your 'good' version, I give you that ;) I also like both pics directly beneath that example. The first one is a bit more 'shippy' maybe, the second one has a more ominous feel?

Yeah, I'll stop talking out of my behind now. Interesting this. Thanks :)
karanna1: eliza dushku // b&w[info]karanna1 on July 5th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
There's three of them at the rest stop, so I'm not sure which one you're referring to. The first one was incorrect for a number of reasons, such as the floating hairline, the tip of the nose cropped off, and it just wasn't aligned appropriately. The second one was boring, busy, and centered, with no pleasing focal point. The third one was, again, boring because it was just simply centered with no chance of subtle text placement and it's not interestingly cropped enough to be a textless icon.

If you could show me an example of that "bad" crop you were talking about (though I think I have an idea of it) that would be really helpful and I might try to include it!

Thanks!
(no subject) - [info]atlantisgrrrl on July 5th, 2008 07:43 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]karanna1 on July 5th, 2008 09:17 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]atlantisgrrrl on July 5th, 2008 09:23 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 04:56 am (UTC)
mo leka qeme o tsaba hoa[info]fehriku on July 5th, 2008 07:00 pm (UTC)
That's really useful. thank you!
Laly: Edward x Bella ~ Twilight[info]marchenmond on July 5th, 2008 07:45 pm (UTC)
that's awesome!
thank you, going to my mems =]
Laura (spoiler-free, plz): dylan[info]lauratnz on July 5th, 2008 07:59 pm (UTC)
thank you very much for sharing this! I'd never seen a cropping tutorial that covered all the bases like you have done here. Great work. Saving to memories.
Novak: awesome ed & chace[info]novak_fan on July 5th, 2008 08:05 pm (UTC)
Thanks for sharing, really useful :)
Lalita: amrita rao[info]lalita000 on July 5th, 2008 09:01 pm (UTC)
wow this is very nice thank you :D
dark_guardian01: thedoctordonna[info]dark_guardian01 on July 5th, 2008 09:49 pm (UTC)
Very nice and useful. ;)
婷 → ♥ 晟敏[info]pittari on July 6th, 2008 06:37 am (UTC)
+ mem!
<3
[info]casinos on July 6th, 2008 06:52 am (UTC)
Question
It seems like nowadays every time I crop my subject looks far away. How can I fix that?
karanna1: btvs // revolution[info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 06:59 am (UTC)
Re: Question
well, take me through your cropping steps. do you use the crop tool or just image>>image resize?
Re: Question - [info]casinos on July 6th, 2008 07:01 am (UTC)
Re: Question - [info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 07:24 am (UTC)
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Re: Question - [info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 07:39 am (UTC)
crystal the monster: art mcginnis[info]cristullmonster on July 6th, 2008 07:52 am (UTC)
+mem! you're so thorough.
tiah15: ComfyTrish[info]tiah15 on July 6th, 2008 09:21 am (UTC)
I have to say that I simply can't agree with the absolutistic way you describe "right and wrong cropped" icons, sorry. This is art - there is no right and wrong in my opinion. And saying that your good examples are more creative than your bad is simply wrong - because the way you do it - everyone does it - which means it isn't really creative at all :) (sorry to take my frustrations out on you but I've seen too many "professional" iconmakers do a tutorial trying to tell me how their way is right and any other is wrong lately)
That said, some of those tips I've been doing all along and their results just look good to me. I've found centering the pic is incredibly creative nowadays (because all the "professional icon makers" like to tell us beginners that it's bad. There are some neat icons which stand out like that. That's why I don't agree with 1. and 2. - all of those look OK - some better than others. I actually prefer the third bad one to the third good one because I hate cut off eyes - I cannot find them interesting or anything: they just don't appeal to ME. The first two pics for 4. aren't bad at all but you're right about the guy. 5. isn't too bad a tip but once again I find myself liking the first crop because my focus is the guy in front which doesn't work in the good example. For me it takes away from him in the second pic because you can see the whole pic - therefore it's distracting to me.
Altogether a neat collection of tricks if you're looking for ways to crop a pic though your best advice was the whole just look at your pic and try different things - who knows, maybe in a year cropping necks will be "in". Thanks for sharing this and please don't be insulted or hurt by what I tried to say. My biggest problem really is the whole right/wrong thing - anything else is helpful for beginners I'm sure.
karanna1: fandom bitch[info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
I know that I wrote this in a very "absolute" tone, coming across as a know-it-all of sorts. I just did it to make my points as clear as possible. I don't claim to be an expert.

In the beginning, I stated that it's hard to explain how to crop because it's about experimenting with your picture. So that's why my tips are called "guidelines", not "if you do this, you die" rules. They are things to keep in mind when cropping, just to understand placement and composition a little more.

As for your accusation that the examples aren't that creative, you're absolutely correct. I was just showing the basics of cropping. Once people have that understanding, then they can take it further.

As for centering, I'd like you to show me just one icon that is considered 'creative' that has the subject smack dab centered, because it almost never is.

With all that being said, I don't appreciate you coming in here "swinging" so to speak. I wrote some tips to help people understand iconmaking better, and judging from your icons...they're something that you could probably use yourself. I'm not a "professional" iconmaker, I do it for fun and if other people like them, then that's okay, if not, that's okay too.

Don't come in here telling me that I'm wrong and that you know better. It's an art isn't it? There is no wrong according to you.
(no subject) - [info]tiah15 on July 6th, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 08:48 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]tiah15 on July 6th, 2008 10:06 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]tiah15 on July 7th, 2008 12:13 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]karanna1 on July 7th, 2008 04:16 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]tiah15 on July 7th, 2008 09:44 am (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]karanna1 on July 7th, 2008 07:17 pm (UTC)
(no subject) - [info]tiah15 on July 8th, 2008 12:53 am (UTC)
mlo1114: TNX[info]mlo1114 on July 6th, 2008 04:10 pm (UTC)
wow really nice guidance, hope I remember them!!
I'll probby add it to my mems!
Thanks for the time and the examples!

mlo
Ceren[info]cerenkara on July 6th, 2008 05:01 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much.. this was very useful indeed :)
just_discover[info]just_discover on July 6th, 2008 06:47 pm (UTC)
firstly,
SHAKESPEARE QUOTE.
*glomps you*
secondly
AMAZING guide.
Thirdly,
out of interest, how do you actually crop your icon?
Do you crop a 100 x 100 space and then move it around.... do you change the image size then crop?
Just wondering :]
xx
karanna1: ats // kiss your lips again[info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 07:35 pm (UTC)
haha, thanks. im glad you found it useful.

and if you scroll up the comments, you'll see that i outlined my cropping process to someone else.
dopplar_fex[info]dopplar_fex on July 6th, 2008 08:58 pm (UTC)
This really helped. Thanks for sharing!
misery_begins[info]misery_begins on July 6th, 2008 10:35 pm (UTC)
I love how you used screencaps of the sarah connor chronicles show as your subject for your tutorial. Props to you. Great guidance for cropping. I've been searching for some for a while. I will certainly keep this in my mems.
karanna1: btvs // anya driving[info]karanna1 on July 6th, 2008 11:03 pm (UTC)
I'm glad it's helpful! Since you're an SCC fan, you might like the base set of SCC I'll be posting soon at [info]dont_be_so_base. It's going to be a big one! Be on the look out for it!
(no subject) - [info]misery_begins on July 7th, 2008 12:31 am (UTC)
Ember[info]emberlunameadow on July 8th, 2008 01:15 am (UTC)
another work of genius by The Master!
and not the permanently disfigured pale face either (o:
karanna1: ats // kiss your lips again[info]karanna1 on July 8th, 2008 01:23 am (UTC)
Oh, good. I hate having fruit punch mouth...
David[info]david_89 on July 15th, 2008 03:45 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the tips, I found it very useful.